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Re: Tyre recommendation

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:33 am
by DaveBerlin
That is what I always thought for FWD, I have read several articles with the same opinion, take a look at this for interest - Dave πŸ™‚

Better tyres for rear or front : https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/better-tyres-in-the-front-or-rear-test-results

Re: Tyre recommendation

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:39 am
by MikeGC
Thanks Dave.

I guess walking into a Black Circles (or ATS or Kwik Fit, etc.) and saying "replace those worn tyres with these new ones" absolves them from any responsibility because they are acting on my instructions

Re: Tyre recommendation

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:43 am
by calnorth
MikeGC wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:39 am Thanks Dave.

I guess walking into a Black Circles (or ATS or Kwik Fit, etc.) and saying "replace those worn tyres with these new ones" absolves them from any responsibility because they are acting on my instructions
And swap them across the axle line except rain tyres...as required. Nobody argues

Actually, looking at Daves link (openeo) and reading some of it, this subject looks to be going nowhere regarding handy useful advice.

My View:
Heavy rear wheel drive cars can easily rear slip (BMW/VW/Porsche) and I certainly know that.
Heavy front wheel drive cars have always been touted as best for cornering and so on.. as I understood it. Wear is understandably faster.
Conditions are indeed very variable...so watch out.

Re: Tyre recommendation

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:26 pm
by DaveBerlin
Take a look at this simple video and a comment from the AA - Dave 😁



Advice and guidance on car tyres : https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/safety/car-tyres

Re: Tyre recommendation

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:58 pm
by gloucester
https://kumhotyre.co.uk/kumho-news/should-you-fit-new-tyres-to-the-front-or-rear/

After much discussion...

Conclusion - To give the best possibilities of a vehicle handling safely when fitting new tyres to a vehicle in pairs, it is advisable to fit the new tyres to the rear axle.


https://www.edentyres.com/should-i-fit-new-tyres-to-the-front-or-rear/

Front or Rear?

Here at Eden Tyres, we recommend that the newest tyres should be fitted to the rear of your vehicle. This is because, generally, rear wheels are not controlled by your steering wheel (unless your car is rear wheel drive), making it more difficult to control their grip while driving.

Having your new or least worn tyres at the rear of the vehicle ensures the greatest amount of control and security while you are driving, particularly in wet weather. Good tread depth is essential for grip, so new tyres at the rear is going to ensure the best possible grip.

Not only is this important for wet weather – even on a dry day, there are going to be moments in your drive which require good road holding, such as braking suddenly or taking a sharp turn.

If the front tyres need replacing:

If you are replacing front tyres, we recommend moving your rear tyres to the front, in order to keep the new tyres at the rear. However, we would also recommend never to drive on tyres if they are too worn; while they might meet the legal requirements, it’s important to stay on the safe side as they are the main protection between you and the road!



https://www.kwik-fit.com/tyres/information/tyre-rotation

... at Kwik Fit we do not recommend tyre rotation and we do recommend fitting your best tyres at the rear of the vehicle. If you are replacing a single tyre then this should be paired at the rear with the tyre having the most tread depth.


https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/a3121/6-common-tire-myths-debunked-10031440/

6 Common Tire Myths Debunked

...

2. When replacing only two tires, the new ones go on the front.

The truth: Rear tires provide stability, and without stability, steering or braking on a wet or even damp surface might cause a spin. If you have new tires up front, they will easily disperse water while the half-worn rears will go surfing: The water will literally lift the worn rear tires off the road. If you're in a slight corner or on a crowned road, the car will spin out so fast you won't be able to say, "Oh, fudge!"

There is no "even if" to this one. Whether you own a front-, rear- or all-wheel-drive car, truck, or SUV, the tires with the most tread go on the rear.

Re: Tyre recommendation

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:24 pm
by tophat57
To save some confusion, my vehicle is a lease. So I have (or thought I had) no choice in replacements. Apart from the fact that I went in for a single tyre repair or replacement, and came out with one repair at the rear and two replacements on the front.

That said, I'm with most other people on here. The front wheels are responsible for stearing and drive delivery to the road and breaking. So as far as I'm concerned the front gets the new tyres, not swapping a now odd pair of rears (or even a matched pair) that are worn onto the front, and putting new tyres on the back to essentially do nothing more than be dragged around by the front end.

My personal experience bears this out, as the car now drives as it should and did before those crappy Yokohama 'Geolandars' were fitted. And i don't see how 22k miles could have worn out a pair of tyres. I'm no boy racer, but I'm not driving Miss Daisy either. And I know what MY car should feel like, and that feeling is Michelin.

Re: Tyre recommendation

Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:31 pm
by gloucester
tophat57 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:24 pm
... i don't see how 22k miles could have worn out a pair of tyres. I'm no boy racer, but I'm not driving Miss Daisy either.
I had a new set at about 15,000 miles...

Re: Tyre recommendation

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:15 pm
by Foffer
MikeGC wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:31 am
gloucester wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:42 pm You should always put the new tyres on the BACK - otherwise you risk handling problems. Kwik Fit were negligent!
wow, in 47 years driving I've never heard that before

When I've had worn front tyres replaced the new tyres went on the front.
In the most recent cases (above) of purchasing the Avon tyres this actually was putting the "grippier" tyres on the front, so.....
I have heard this although I would want new tyres on the front. I think the thinking is that more drivers stand a chance of recovering from loss of control at the front rather than the back. Loose the back end and unless you know what you are doing you have spun and off into the scenery....

Re: Tyre recommendation

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:49 am
by Mostyn
Front tyres normally wear quicker than the in-line rear tyres, steering creates more directional wear on front tyres. Best tyres always on front.

Re: Tyre recommendation

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:12 pm
by calnorth
I don't think there is a one rule fits all on this topic although manufacturers advise new tread to rears....Continental does. Which once went with a recommendation to rotate them around so as to keep wear similar.

The dynamics in any situation are fairly complex and ordinary drivers won't be able to compensate adequately....usually. That with cheaper electronics brought the vehicle stability devices...Gyro/ABS/Speed sensors.

FWD have always been advertised as the better configuration for driving....sporty stuff? And as such burns through tyres fairly quickly leaving rears looking good. So, to maintain good steering/traction I'd say the front tyres need to be the best tread on FWD cars.

RWD does have a large/dead weight at the rear (Diff etc) so would indicate that a better tread needs to be at the rear.

Since tyres are very much safety related it would be helpful to remove the taxes from them. oh...silly!