Emergency braking system fault

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Re: Emergency braking system fault

Post by calnorth » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:51 pm

Update:

Just went on a local dual track...no traffic in front. On a slight RH bend the EB light and ding ding came on...40mph. No braking but it must have a higher speed to do that?
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Re: Emergency braking system fault

Post by rochesb » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:55 am

Is this the same problem previously reported in this thread?

https://car-recalls.eu/nissan-to-recall-1-5-million-cars-due-to-the-brake-assist-problems/

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Re: Emergency braking system fault

Post by calnorth » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:03 pm

rochesb wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:55 am
Is this the same problem previously reported in this thread?

https://car-recalls.eu/nissan-to-recall-1-5-million-cars-due-to-the-brake-assist-problems/
Yes it is..
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Re: Emergency braking system fault

Post by DaveBerlin » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:19 pm

It appears you are correct this appears to be it. On checking the GOV UK Recall List at present this problem is not mentioned on the Official Government Recall List, but on checking our German KBA System there is a No: P9327 that has been raised for QQ’s from Nov 8 2016 > June 5 2019 which involves a total of 437,000 QQ’s - Dave 🤨

Attached is a list of what is open on the GOV UK Check Vehicle Recalls :

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Just as a reference the German Comment :

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Re: Emergency braking system fault

Post by calnorth » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:39 pm

The USA Campaign Bulletin for Rogue is below: DTC = P9327

ooo-er....my Nov 2019 service IEB update is due to P9327 and £46.63 plus £13.32 Admin charge. But FOC to me

And:
"The driver can always override the AEB system by pressing the accelerator".


https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10164666-0001.pdf
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Re: Emergency braking system fault

Post by DaveBerlin » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:36 pm

Colin, then it looks like you are safe no more crazy driving tests 😂 - Dave 👍

It does then look like this is not an Official Government Recall but a Voluntary Service Campaign Recall by Nissan as the Open Campaign No. P9327 (US No.) is what has been quoted also by the German KBA - Dave 😏

This is the function of the KBA - The Kraftfahrt-Bundesamt - Federal Motor Transport Authority
We score with road safety!
The Kraftfahrt-Bundesamt :
- approves vehicles types and parts
- monitors the work of test centres for the periodic examination of vehicles and quality control at manufacturing plants
- designation of Technical services
- accompanies recall actions by manufacturers of vehicles and vehicle parts
- manages the Central Vehicle Register, the Register of Driver Fitness, the Central Register of Driving Licences and the Register of Tachograph Cards (only in German)
- provides information from these Registers and produces and publishes statistics on the basis of these Registers and also about vehicle defects and goods transports.
With these products and services the KBA makes an important contribution towards road safety, environmental protection and to the provision of information on road traffic.
The Kraftfahrt-Bundesamt is within the scope of the Federal Ministry of Transport and Digital Infrastructure
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Re: Emergency braking system fault

Post by Sandgrounder » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:33 am

I’ve booked in my QQ to have the update applied later this month. I guess it could’ve waited until its next service in the summer? 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Re: Emergency braking system fault

Post by calnorth » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:11 am

Dave... suppose I could say that something is verified by my service docs listing WAR (work...update IEB). Nissan WAR = Warranty, And suddenly it woke up a couple of times, flicked an illuminated symbol and did a couple of ding dings. Speeds between 30 and 40mph and only one distinct object did I spot...a 1mtr high-ish traffic island cluster. The second warning made little sense, No braking sensed by me on both occasions.

Confusingly the front camera flings a picture of a car park post and panic alarm if I creep up to one at about 3 to 5 mph. Within 1mtr only

So after owning the car for a year IEB wakes up (s/w update?) and leaves me wondering about false positives Nissan are on about.

A little further research and I gather IEB kicks in at 3mph and above. Nothing about distance. So two things as regards validation:

How do they test it in their workshop.
How do I test it without piling into a brick wall or rear of another car. The polystrene block gets closer....literally

So I'm looking around for what I need to do as regards detecting the "radar" emission (perhaps lidar) and nicking a big lump of polystyrene from somewhere....more madness for this week...... :?
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Re: Emergency braking system fault

Post by phatboy » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:19 am

Mine had a software update in November to resolve these issues, but it didn't work and I've had 3 false positives where the brakes applied hard.

Logging to dealer again today.... my opinion is the car is unroadworthy.
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Re: Emergency braking system fault

Post by calnorth » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:37 am

phatboy wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:19 am
Mine had a software update in November to resolve these issues, but it didn't work and I've had 3 false positives where the brakes applied hard.

Logging to dealer again today.... my opinion is the car is unroadworthy.
I suspect that the update in November is the same one we discuss above. It is dangerous to say the least and it highlights the foolishness of certain electronics and software sub systems in this environment. They attempt a wriggle out with "you the user can turn it off". Enabling autonomous activity in this domain is a dangerous path and could head off toward Corporate Neglect...causing harm! The wriggle bit switches responsibility to the User....wrong!

The Nissan Warranty update reference is P9327. Ask them what was installed in Nov ...or is it on your receipts...should be?
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