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Munich to ban all diesels

Post by Gel » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:50 pm

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Re: Munich to ban all diesels

Post by gvmdaddy » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:55 pm

Bit misleading as it's not 'all' diesels.


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Re: Munich to ban all diesels

Post by DaveBerlin » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:17 pm

Gel, what you have reported here is going to get Major, Munich is just the peak of the Iceberg last week there was a report and the Alarm Bells are beginning to ring. You can see that even the Diesel Euro 6 vehicles have a problem. The worst City was Stuttgart and then Munich, which has 295,314 Diesels registered, half with Euro 6. Stuttgart is also planned for 2018 where there are 107,000 Diesels with 73,000 Euro 6 registered. Düsseldorf and Hamburg are also discussing similiar bans all Diesel related.
Do not forget that many Cities do tend to lay in let's say Valleys and hence the pollution does tend to hang around.

Not only are VW being really heavy critised at present due to their software modification for €60 which appears to not work but also Porsche and now Bosch are deeply involved due to them supplying the software for Diesels but not only to the VW Group. Many Owners are now taking out private court orders for VW to take back their cars here and at the Car Markets Owners are trying to off load Diesels which in effect is a major financial loss to them - Dave ;)
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Re: Munich to ban all diesels

Post by gvmdaddy » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:49 am

Interesting to note that some of the qq diesels are cleaner regarding NOx than some of the petrol variants. It also seems to depend on your trim level as to the output of NOx in vehicles using the exact same engine.
http://www.nextgreencar.com/emissions/m ... n/qashqai/


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Re: Munich to ban all diesels

Post by DaveBerlin » Fri May 18, 2018 11:46 am

Instead of starting a New Post I thought I would post here. I am not sure if this is of interest to you as it is primarily for Germany at present but what happens here normally creates a follow on effect. So read it, Digest it and lets see what happens - Dave ;)

A sign of things to come: Hamburg puts up signposts in the city to enforce the first ban on older diesel vehicles
• Diesel cars will be banned from two major streets in Hamburg by the end of May
• Authorities have put up around 100 road signs to impose the restrictions
• The signs provide alternative routes for those driving outlawed diesels
• It is still undecided if the ban will affect all but current Euro 6 diesel vehicles or pre-Euro 5 models build before 2009

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/a ... icles.html

What will it take to clear the air in Berlin?
There are more measures cities can take if a diesel ban can't get pushed through. Similar to the environment zone, cities could introduce what's being termed a "blue badge" admitting only cars that meet national emissions standards. Berlin and some other cities have already implemented something similar for particulate matter, which has improved air quality. Since driving slower translates into more efficient use of fuel, cities can also introduce a speed limit on heavily trafficked streets. Berlin plans to implement a 30 kilometer-per-hour limit on five major roads later this month. If successful, more streets will follow, according to the Berlin Senate.

http://www.dw.com/en/what-will-it-take- ... a-43288609

The German Association for the Environment (DUH) and other environmental associations have created a definition of the beneficiaries of a Blue Badge. These are only diesel vehicles that meet the EURO 6 standard (but not all diesel vehicles with EURO 6 standard meet the required nitrogen dioxide values!) as well as petrol vehicles with EURO 3-6 standards.

https://www.blaue-plakette.de/en/info-b ... badge.html
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Re: Munich to ban all diesels

Post by DaveBerlin » Wed May 30, 2018 7:12 am

Germany are discussing the “Blue Badge” and now Paris are enforcing “Colored Strickers”. You would think the good old EU would jump on this and add a common New Std - Dave :)

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Re: Munich to ban all diesels

Post by DaveBerlin » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:22 pm

As mentioned below this Ban has now come into effect and everybody will be driving around these two streets to miss the Ban. There are no Car Stickers to indicate the car is Euro 6 and therefore the Police have to stop Cars to check the papers, if not Euro 6 then there is a Fine of €25. Vehicles without Euro 6 such as Buses, Maintenance, Rubbish Trucks can still use these roads.
One street is 580m long the other 1,7kms so typically the streets should have cleaner air but the other diverted routes must be questionable. The next Cities planned are Köln & Stuttgart and does this really make sense moving pollution from one street to the next :roll: - Dave ;)

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Re: Munich to ban all diesels

Post by DaveBerlin » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:53 am

It looks like action is beginning to take place in Germany with regard to buy backs and or hardware modifications which are being discussed. We will have to see how things turnout in the end - Dave :)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/ar ... ution.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germ ... SKCN1MC0PQ
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Re: Munich to ban all diesels

Post by DaveBerlin » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:01 pm

I have been keeping an eye on what is happening in Germany over the last few days but it was all in German, today I found an English article. Now this obviously does not affect the QQ but I thought it was just important that an eye is kept on the progress of the Diesel problem and now how it appears VW (who caused the original problem) are now handling it. Now what will follow outside of Germany will be interesting. It might be of interest, might not, if not Sorry - Dave :)

The talk has been on whether Software, Hardware or what has now been offered will take effect. This is based on improving the Air Quality in 14 German Cities and to avoid the proposed Bans. VW are now offering Trade-In Rates for Euro 1 to Euro 4 vehicles from 10 > 25 years old. Trade-In or Scrappage Deals are across the VW Group (Seat / Skoda / Audi). The premium could be as high as €10,000 for larger vehicles, but more realistic is €1500 to €8000 and Exchange Premiums of €500 to €7000 depending on the model.
Euro 6 models around 3 years old will not be part of the Deal. VW appears to be steering away from the “Hardware Option”.
If of interest please take a look :

https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-re ... t-germany/
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Re: Munich to ban all diesels

Post by DaveBerlin » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:37 pm

Just a few more points still German Based - Dave 🤨

The DailyM has now got the News : https://dailym.ai/2ynz3OK

Audi have got the Big Fine, who is going to follow BMW / MB : https://dailym.ai/2PDmSUI

Now the problem with Electric & Hybrids which could cause Job losses : https://dailym.ai/2PCjGZj
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